My only problem with government shutdowns is that all the taxpayers are doing is giving government employees a free paid vacation
I see the two as a separate issue.
1 - I think it is a shame that the laws aren't followed and the budget developed and sent through the process by that date. We should run everyone out of Washington on this reason alone. I thought the Constitution mandated a date, but I can't find it now. We the people have not held the elected leaders to their duties.
2 - the government isn't shutdown. Only non-essential parts are. Last time I looked about 4/5ths were still working.
Personally, if they are non-essential, I think we ought to simply disband all those non-essential bits
You are right and I painted with a really broad brush (I also didn't look up exactly what has been deemed non-essential. I didn't realize the Army Corps was part of that, for example)
"So should they get rid of those jobs and forsake other constitutional requirements?" I'd go for going back to only doing the constitutional mandates. There's just so much done that isn't that--I guess that was really my main point. Call the constitutional mandates essential and bin the rest
Bill is correct. Govt employees have before in all cases I’m aware of however there is no guarantee unless your essential and continue to work thru the shut down but you still don’t get your paycheck until they fund the govt. which I think the longest was 27 days.
I'm all for doing whatever is necessary...however, --as bad as it would be--things like the Department of Education, Heath and Human Services, and even Social Security aren't for the Federal Government to do according to the Constitution.
Will any politician say it? Nope
Do I think it? Yep.
Would I do it? Yep...if I were there, I'd introduce a plan to eliminate that stuff over a period of time (say 20 years or so)
Bill Rawlinson "Even if you introduced the plan the next administration would overturn it" I know. And it would be extremely unpopular. I also know I wouldn't get elected to anything with a plan like that.
That doesn't change what I think.
The mandates are pretty big and require a lot of support.
Everything is so damn complex.
And then add in the impact on jobs for those companies that support what might not be mandated.. it would be devastating to the economy. No president or congress is going to willingly destroy the economy to truly shrink the federal government.
The price would be too high
Have you ever read “Whatever Happened to Penny Candy?” It addresses the economic aspects of some of this, but I think parallels can be drawn to other areas. Perhaps some of the most pertinent parts right now are those that deal with “corrections” after the government has meddled too much for too long. The historical examples he gives show that recoveries, even though they have a painful period, are shorter and better when the government takes itself as much out of the picture as possible (i.e., the German recovery after WWII and the American manufacturing recovery also after WWII). I’d vote for someone who would try to reduce federal government to its constitutional role.